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I can appreciate and agree with the sentiment of people saying "choose life". What I do not like is selectively ignorant menfolk and preachy people being all "blarg, all abortion is bad all the time! She's a sinner, a killer and a whore, etc. etc." Or politicians using blatant mysogeny to justify abortion hating like GOP Rep. Akin claiming that "You can't get pregnant by legitimate rape".
But the attitude I find most obnoxiously stupid is people saying "oh this level of inhuman cruelty is unprecedented. Curs those souless liberal commie fucks. The end times are surely upon us!" Unprecedented? Hmm, they seem to have convienantly forgotten the countless millenia of worldwide infantcide that has occured before Rowe vs. Wade. Whenever a family had too many mouths to feed, or a baby was deformed, they kill it. Drowning it, leavingit exposed to the elements, bashing their heads in. And infantcide isn't even limited to ancient times either. In the 1970s in Japan there was a wave of people leving babies inside public lockers to die. Now how is any of that an improvement over abortion clinics? It ain't.
Is abortion cuel, ugly and sad? Sure is, but not as much as the infantcide I've just described. Isn't it better to take away a gift before a perosn's had a chance to enjoy it than after? Ecspecially when it has much less suffering? Like lets say the child is diagnosed prenatally with a birth defect like anencephally, that ineviatbly leaves it suffering for hours before its equally inevitable death? Abortion is just a necessary evil evil until we can make rape and birth defects unexist. Personally, I wish those were the only things abortion was allowed for, but hey, I don't own a vagina, I'll never expirience birth pains, so why should I boss women around on whta they can and can't do with their babies?
But the attitude I find most obnoxiously stupid is people saying "oh this level of inhuman cruelty is unprecedented. Curs those souless liberal commie fucks. The end times are surely upon us!" Unprecedented? Hmm, they seem to have convienantly forgotten the countless millenia of worldwide infantcide that has occured before Rowe vs. Wade. Whenever a family had too many mouths to feed, or a baby was deformed, they kill it. Drowning it, leavingit exposed to the elements, bashing their heads in. And infantcide isn't even limited to ancient times either. In the 1970s in Japan there was a wave of people leving babies inside public lockers to die. Now how is any of that an improvement over abortion clinics? It ain't.
Is abortion cuel, ugly and sad? Sure is, but not as much as the infantcide I've just described. Isn't it better to take away a gift before a perosn's had a chance to enjoy it than after? Ecspecially when it has much less suffering? Like lets say the child is diagnosed prenatally with a birth defect like anencephally, that ineviatbly leaves it suffering for hours before its equally inevitable death? Abortion is just a necessary evil evil until we can make rape and birth defects unexist. Personally, I wish those were the only things abortion was allowed for, but hey, I don't own a vagina, I'll never expirience birth pains, so why should I boss women around on whta they can and can't do with their babies?
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'Let's have as much sex as our horny hearts desire. If I get pregnant, we'll just kill the fetus!"
Pretty irresponsible if you ask me.
First of all, you are right in saying that infanticide is not an improvement over abortion, and has been around for hundreds of years. But the fact that an evil thing has been around for hundreds of years is not an argument for its legality. You could apply that to legalizing theft or fraud, since those have been around for hundreds of years too. Infantacide needs to be combated too, as does war and the death penalty. Understand this, if nothing else: there is a LOT more to being pro-life than just being opposed to abortion.
Second, the abortion industry, like all industries, relies on deceiving people into buying things they don't actually need, and resorts to elaborate narratives to convince people that what they sell is something you will always need. In this case, they sell the idea that abortion's legality is essential to the rights of women. But when the abortion lobby says that, they don't actually mean equality with men. What they mean is that women should always have the final say as to whether or not to kill the child, regardless of what the father has to say in the matter. Never mind that the 19th century feminists were adamantly pro-life and pro-equality. Never mind that American women were put on the road to equality by the right to vote and the slow opening of jobs to them. And never mind that the basic premise of abortion-or-misery subjects women to more misery and degradation. There is no such thing as a necessary evil, my good sir.
When this is exposed, the liberal media bails the abortion industry out by calling the truth-tellers evil sexists who have no right to raise their voice. Does that sound familiar to you?
Third, and this is the one that most alarms me, is the notion that men should have no say in abortion. Forgive me if I sound mean, but does that not sound incredibly self-hating to you? Men contribute half the DNA, and women the other half. Therefore, surely logic would say men have at least half a stake in what happens to their children? Think about it. If you got your wife pregnant and wanted to keep the baby, but she decided to get an abortion, would you honestly be okay with that?
Not really. The issue at hand is that a woman has a legal right to choose if she wants to keep a fetus in her womb or not. The man doesn't fit into that equation, therefore his feeling are logically irrelevant.
Oh the moral card. The white flag of unconditional surrender in any debate when someone runs out of logical arguments.
That's not what I meant. What I meant was that just because something is legal, it does not necessarily make it right. Segregation was legal throughout the southern U.S, but did that make it right?
White blood cells act independently of their host, yet are still considered part of the host. A foetus is just the same, except while a white blood cell keeps the body healthy, a foetus just feeds off its mother with no health benefits.
And abortion is nothing like segregation. A person's ethnicity does not influence their intellect or make them less capable at certain tasks then their white contemporaries.
Well the majority of abortions are done before that 8 weeks line, and at that point the fetus is little more than a collection of cells. In which case you're completely wrong, your body constantly loses and remakes cells. As for "body parts" I didn't even make the argument that the fetus is a body part, I said it's her womb and her body (as in the womb is a part of her body) she has the right to choose not to harbor a fetus in her body. As for the "morality" of it, it's completely moral. It's the woman's body, she has domain over it. As long as what she does to her harms no one else, everything is fine. The only person who gets harmed in abortion is the fetus, and considering what I've just stated above it seems fairly safe to say that the fetus is not on the level of a developed human.
2. Oh there are too necessary evils. There's factory farms, there's UAV drones, there's dependance on oil in general, there's the very concept of mass porduction in general. I hate those things, but I realize its unrealistic to reverse them, and that they create tons of jobs and stuff.
3. Men may make up 50% of the DNA, but 0% of the actual birthing process, so I should like to think that their say should be more limited than the women's. Also, not all men will be necessarily against abortion.
No, a necessary evil is still an evil and therefore should not be practiced. Necessary evil is a contradiction in terms; if your well being comes from something evil, you don't deserve to be in good health.
Even if the pain argument were true, it does nothing to alter the fact men have the equal right to decide what happens to their kid. It also does nothing to alter the fact that men who suffer that way are left in intense pain and suffering.
And just to prove my point that you have been lied to regarding abortion, let me say this. Prior to Roe V Wade, the vast majority of Americans hated abortion and wanted no part of this. When the decision was foisted upon as, (with the help of two layers who had no qualms about committing perjury,) the abortion industry knew it had to work hard to convince people Roe V Wade was for their own good.
Well I'll give you credit for being consistent. You really over estimate the amount of time I spend with the mass media. You think I got cables plugged into my eyeballs.
And the "pain thing"? What now youre saying men can give birth as well? And again, this is all based on your assumption that all fathers are responsible and actually care about who they sire. Not all of them are.
And I just said my church didn't adress the specific reasons, hence my annoyance. I dunno about the worldwide church as a whole but I'm talking about my local one.
And your view on necessary evil is just plain naive. Sorry, I don't know how else to assess it.
Why do you try to put words in my mouth I never actually said?
It is true that not all fathers, or mothers for that matter, are responsible. And before you use that as an argument for abortion, let me say this: Is killing an innocent person a good way to protect them from harm?
What is your definition of 'suffering?" Is it simply poverty and neglect?
People always piss me off with this anti-abortion crap. Abortion is a hell of a lot more humane than neglect, abuse, and infanticide. What I also find ironic is how the same people who go around crying about abortion are the same people who won't give a fuck about the child after its born. They'll fight for its right to be born but they won't give a damn about it after that. It's like George Carlin said, they're not pro-life they are pro-fetus.